Showing posts with label Scott Elliott. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Scott Elliott. Show all posts

Wednesday, April 17, 2019

Tuesday 16APR2019 Colorado Running Hall of Fame

I got word a few weeks ago that Pikes Ascent ace Scott Elliott was getting inducted into the Colorado Running Hall of Fame.
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The ceremony was Tuesday night at the Denver Athletic Club.
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Scott has definitely lost quite a few pounds since I saw him for a run a few weeks ago.  He also cleans up pretty well, even if he appropriately wore running shoes with his suit.

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I met Scott on a Linden workout.  That is a one mile loop, with half of it being up and the other half being down.  There is a tag for here on the blog if you want to go see what that is.  In any case, it was there where I learned that Scott was one of those guys who was willing to turn himself inside out a bit more than the rest of us.  And I began to learn of his singular laser focus on that hill to the south - Pikes.

As part of his speech as he was inducted, Scott read a stanza from a Cerutty poem.
"Running: running: hear the beat!
Busting lungs and pounding feet.
Straining: gaining: 'til your done:
Or you have the race well-won.
Racing: Pacing: rather die:
Than give up or let them by.

It was great to see Scott recognized for his accomplishments.  Eight wins at any race is amazing.  Eight on that beast of a hill, over a span of 17 years is an incredible accomplishment.

4 in the AM with Greg, 6.3 a bit later in the AM solo.

Wednesday, January 30, 2019

Wednesday 29JAN2019

AM – 10 degrees to start with Greg and Sydnee.  We did some (8 of them) hill surges on the upper part of Main Street at “mile effort.”  6.1 miles.  I can’t really grumble about the cold given that its cold enough at KZ’s school in the midwest that they cancelled classes today (-50 with windchill).

I was a tad sore in the quads from the front loaded squats from yesterday but I’ll welcome that for now. 

Yesterday I ran with Scott Elliott.  If you are tied into the history of Pikes, or have followed this blog for a long time, you probably know who he is.  But if not … he won the the Pikes Peak Ascent EIGHT times and then has a number of second place finishes (yes, when he ran into that buzz saw named Matt Carpenter guy)

I learned a lot from Scott in the late 2000s when I was first getting into Pikes.  He introduced me to the Linden workout – a tough half mile road hill that emulated the grade of Ruxton - and the workout he’d do on the back side of Green (which JV and I later coined as the “Elliott stairs) as a way to prep for the Golden Stairs.  A great article on Scott’s training approach in the “hay day” is here

Off to Philly for a few days. 

Friday, June 21, 2013

The Elliott Stairs

In the summer 2006, I was preparing for Imogene.  Along the way, I had planned to run the Pikes Ascent as a prep race for the crossing from Ouray to Telluride.  I ended up so enthralled with the Pikes race, well … the rest is captured here I guess.  But I was prepping for Imogene.  I had run the race in 2005 and I thought I could improve on my performance there.  As it turns out, I never got to do that – as in 2006 weather conditions were too difficult to allow an organized crossing and so we raced from Ouray to Bird Camp and back to Ouray.  I recently found my 2006-7 training log in a MS Word document and I am back date posting those up here.

Anyway, that is not what this post is about.  That summer I had started to connect with Scott Elliott – the 8x winner of the Pikes Ascent – on some of his workouts.  Galen Burrell, at the time a baby faced winner of the marathon, would often join him.  Scott would periodically announce some of the workouts he was doing.  A rather famous one, and one that still seems to get some attention today is “Lindens.”  From an (edited) email from 2006, this is how Scott announced Lindens.

For those of you who are so "inclined", we will be meeting for some
spiffy repeat loops every Monday and Thursday at 5:30PM on the upper
part of Linden Avenue. Galen B. & I both worked out on this course
many times in previous seasons and it was one of the primary reasons I
won the Pikes Peak Ascent and Galen won the Pikes Peak Marathon in
2004. So, keep an open mind about putting your feet to (horrors!)
pavement for a VERY rewarding interval session! As a bonus, if you
choose to make this course a routine, you'll be able to track your
progress & improvement as you get stronger and faster in your
hill climbing ability.

The climb is about 750 meters (I'm going to try to measure it and mark
off 100-meter splits sometime soon), and the ascent will take anywhere
from 3:00 (if you're sprinting and in Jonathan Wyatt / Melissa Moon
-ish shape) to 6:00 to accomplish. The grade is very similar to what
the upcoming Mt. Washington (NH) will present to you. Galen is
currently averaging below 3:45 per climb, while I am very close to
4:00, but dropping that average rapidly (I'm approaching 2 months into
a concerted effort to whip myself into Pikes shape.) The rest interval
to get back down to the start should take between 3:30 & 6:00,
depending on how snappy you wish to move (stagger?).

The idea of this workout is to keep both your climb AND your rest
periods CONSISTENT. Once you've gotten into a "groove" following the
second or third climb, aim to keep the same time within a few seconds
-- obviously it will get more difficult, but that's why you're out here
busting your butt! And it is equally important to keep your rest
interval the same each time around -- no slacking off.

Of course, I was fascinated, and I joined Scott and Galen on Linden, met JV out there and got totally worked.  I have not made to Lindens in a couple years, as it is a bit of a drive for me to get to (and I think I can sort of kind of replicate it a lot closer to home), but it is a workout that I will probably have “fond” memories of for a long time.

Scott (a pic of his below) re-illustrated something to me that I already knew:  I was not really a competitive guy.  This is sort of funny to some because there are the people who I deal with outside of running.  They think I am hyper focused, disciplined and competitive.  All things being relative however, I am not in the circles of certain runners.  Scott was in that circle that summer.  The man oozed focus on his goal of winning Pikes again (he’d take second to Simon G that year in a race).  I re-realized that my focus and attention compared to many was nada.

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Anyway, repeats on Linden is not what this post is about.  Nor is it a biography of Scott.  It is about a set of stairs on Green Mountain.  Scott also sent out another announcement about doing the last stretch on Green as a prep for Pikes.  He did this to help prepare him not just for climbing but navigating the only thing possibly considered technical on Pikes, the Golden Stairs.  His announcement also from 2006.

Howdy.
We'll be gathering for today's uphill repeats at 6:00 on the upper reaches
of the west ridge trail of Green mountain. Since you'll have a choice to
jog from several different trailheads to get up to the start, please
calculate accordingly to arrive by the starting time.
Start -- intersection of the Ranger trail & the Green Mtn. west ridge
trail (i.e., the "four-way trail junction") This is shorter and steeper
than the course we run on Thursdays up Linden Ave.
Finish -- summit of Green Mtn.
Intended repetitions: 7 (max) - hard up, brief rest at top, jog down.

Depending on your fitness level, this final section of trail to the top of
Green will take anywhere from 2:35 to 4:15 to ascend. For those of you
entered in the Pikes Peak races, the steepness & steps are somewhat
similar to the infamous "Golden stairs" the confront you in the final
third-mile of the ascent, thus this will serve as good training for that
particular nasty section.
I plan to run a 1-hour-ish mellow warmup from my condo in South Boulder up
Bear creek to the start. Anybody is welcome to join. Other trailheads to
park & warm up from include:
-Gregory canyon to Ranger trail to start
(ascent of ~50:00 - 60:00)
-Flagstaff amphitheater turnoff to Ranger trail to start
(ascent of ~25:00 - 35:00)
-top of Flagstaff road climb to Green Mtn. west ridge trail to start
(ascent of ~15:00 - 20:00)
Hope to see a few folks this afternoon!
-S

JV and I did this workout once.  In pure excitement, I think JV set an FKT for this section (which no longer really starts at a four way junction since the Bear Canyon connector has moved) in like 2:23.  I will let him describe how the rest of that went if he is so “inclined.”

I dubbed this section of trail, “the Elliott Stairs” as a nod to Scott and the stairs he was preparing for.  Anyway, I am going to do this section tomorrow as a workout.  I think JV is joining me.  I am probably going to do five.  Drop me a note/comment if interested.  We will probably start pretty early (like 6?).  I have no clue what I will average but I am going to try to manage these in a way that is consistent, pushes my HR into a VO2 max effort range – and hence, challenging.

Wednesday, August 22, 2012

Wednesday 082212

Being on the road, I am way behind on catching up on blogs, the race reports from Pikes and Leadville, but here are a few …

Kilian gave his winner’s trophy away?   I am not surprised actually. 

Rim to rim runners are apparently causing issues with their vomit

Leadville:  Brandon F’s Leadville report, Lucho’s report and Footfeathers pacing report with that, Brandon S’ report (check out the pacer outfits), Andy W, Kiernen, Nick Clark .. and Matt Trappe has some fantastic photos from Leadville.

Pikes:  JV’s report, Knuckledragger’s … pix from Pikes from Marathon Photo.

Truly the story from the weekend is Kim Dobson’s Ascent.  I mentioned to a few folks that I thought it was Beamon-esque (look up Bob Beamon if you don’t know what that means), but at least few guys I know were very impressed by her effort, but not surprised by the outcome. 

I spoke to Scott E for a bit after the race and he said he had little doubt with the specific training that she had done the mountain.  On Monday, Scott commented on this thread that I had put up in 2011 I have pasted them below for reference.  More than ever, it is very clear to me that the challenge with Pikes is not the grade but the altitude and being specifically trained to deal with that.  You are climbing 7800 feet, but that is not like gaining a 2500 feet in 2 miles on the front of Green.  You are doing it over 13 miles.   The course is very runable, and so – as KJ seemed to tell us in ever interview this past weekend:  it is “flat.”  The question is whether you can run or not after 10 miles of climbing and at 12k feet … and beyond.

Dobson’s performance also brings up the pace calculator – apparently Dobson was right at 72:30 ish at Barr and 1:43 at A frame.  She ran the splits in the calculator nearly perfect for her sub 2:25.  (and for those of you already speculating what sort of marathon that would mean, it generally points to a sub 4, but Kim would probably be the first to tell you she had no interest in the round trip …).  A key take away here however is this:  the calculator worked for Kim because she trained at altitude.  Stated another way, if the calculator does not work for you, it is probably because you are falling apart up high.  And you might need to ask yourself if that is because of an issue with altitude (and training for that).

On this front, a few folks said I must have been altitude acclimatized because of my burro running.  I am not sure if that is true.  I spent more days at sea level in San Francisco than I did at 13k feet.  And frankly, “running” with a burro at those elevations at 25 minute mile pace is pretty different than doing it on your own when trying to get to 15 minute mile pace.  And for what it is worth, while I moved fairly well up high on Sunday, I still was behind the calculator from Barr up (said differently, I was ahead of the calculator below Barr, but then I got what I got up high).   To me … it means a slightly dangerous suggestion … if you want to perform at a certain level in the climb – say 3 hours, and you are not going to be altitude trained, you might need to gamble and “bank” some time below Barr Camp.  This is risky of course, because you might blow it all up down low.

Scott’s comments …

With regard to specifically training for Pikes, low-altitude laps on something like Bear are not nearly as good as high-altitude climbs. There is NO substitute for training at altitude for a race that is virtually always decided by those who have prepped correctly for racing hard at altitude. Those last six miles on Pikes will destroy even the most fit runner who has not bothered to properly train. Wanna do well at Pikes? Put in gobs of steep stuff, months of pretty heavy mileage, sharpen with appropriate intervals, and LOTS of altitude for both the long runs and the hard runs.

And … No trust fund for me, for sure. I lived, and still live, frugally. I chose to live at Barr Camp because I knew how important it was to mentally, as well as physically, prepare for the Ascent. And though it's been touched upon, I have to say that the "Live High, Train Low" approach and other methods mentioned are all geared towards research of physiological benefits for low-altitude races, NOT Pikes. It's my firm belief that if you're going to race to 14K, you'd better get your body prepared for the 10-ish miles of significant uphill, and your brain prepared for maxing out virtually the whole way. As the weeks progressed, my training splits from Barr to the summit would ALWAYS improve; to the point where I could get those six miles in comfortably at or below 60 minutes. I memorized the trail, I ran the race over and over in my head, and I spent a ton of time recovering between training sessions, which is easy to do at Barr Camp. If I needed an easier day, I'd run on the Elk Park trail (heaven!), and there's a bunch of places for flat striders up there. My intervals were anywhere from 4 minutes to 13 minutes, mostly above Barr but sometimes lower down. I KNEW on race day that I was effectively running "underwater" until Barr Camp, whichI considered to be my "sea level." I always raced on feel, and never bothered to glance at splits. I usually went out pretty fast and soloed the whole race, but my most memorable race was when Matt and Mark Stickley pulled away from me (and I was suffering from a horrible side-stitch) and got out of sight before halfway up. Just past the Bottomless Pit sign, I encountered Stickley walking -- he was blown. It took me until a mile to go to bridge back up to Matt, but then the adrenaline took over and I put in close to two minutes on him in that last mile. Yes, I got tested at the OTC and only Matt (at that time anyway) had a higher VO2 than me (I think I was 92 or 93?), so I understand that I have the right set of lungs and capillaries, but the mental strength and the confidence gained from beating people like Matt were invaluable.

Wednesday, July 20, 2011

Altitude training for altitude racing

Scott E recently said: With regard to specifically training for Pikes, low-altitude laps on something like Bear are not nearly as good as high-altitude climbs. There is NO substitute for training at altitude for a race that is virtually always decided by those who have prepped correctly for racing hard at altitude. Those last six miles on Pikes will destroy even the most fit runner who has not bothered to properly train. Wanna do well at Pikes? Put in gobs of steep stuff, months of pretty heavy mileage, sharpen with appropriate intervals, and LOTS of altitude for both the long runs and the hard runs.

Wednesday, April 27, 2011

Wednesday 042711

TZ - my wonderful wife, friend, love - Happy Anniversary. I love you.

AM - 5.5 easy, dog jog.

For some a 2:08 800 is just what they do. But do that at 61 years of age ... dang.

Looks like I won't be doing the World Championships of Burro Racing this year. I am expecting to be on business travel to the Middle East at that time. Even if that does not pan out, I am not sure of the state of Bill Lee at this point, and so my chances to train with a burro there.

Fred Ecks is leading a day of Bear Peak via Fern on May 15. Start at 7AM, go to 7PM - via Fern, head to Bear. That is our Den's rocket launch day but I may get out for some of the later loops.


Scott Elliott, again, put the word out about doing Lindens tomorrow. (5:50PM)

Friday, April 22, 2011

Friday 042211

On Justin’s recommendation, I am reading “3 Cups of Deceit.”  Buzz also weighs in.

Scott Elliott, 8 time winner of the PPA put the word out recently about doing Lindens as a workout.  I am not sure if he is running these – but I hope he is.  It would be good to see him get back after it.  In my experience, I have never seen anyone undergo such large degrees of physical transformation like Scott.  First photo – Scott September 2005, photo by Galen Burrell, second photo – Scott – essentially what he looked like in August 2006 (although this shot is from a different year from his site), en route to 2nd place at Pikes to Simon G.

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Along the line of Pikes, and perhaps alluding that such physical transformations can lead to some dangerous stuff, Lize B recalls a record setting run at Pikes.

There has been some call for the efforts at Boston to be recognized as the WR and AR, and frankly I can’t endorse that.  Simply, there are standards for these records that should be recognized.  We don’t recognize significantly wind aided 100 meter runs as the record.  We don’t recognize down hill miles (otherwise you’d be talking about guys who have gone under 3:30 for the mile).  There is a run here in Colorado called the Superior downhill mile.  Guys have broken four minutes on it.  I think even they would be hesitant to call themselves four minute milers.  The efforts at Boston are pretty phenomenal, and mind altering (meaning I think it changes the game for what folks do in the future) – but they ain’t world records nor should they be because of the downhill nature of the course (and that reason by the way is partly why St George’s marathon can no longer be used as a qualifier for the OT).  I don’t think Boston ought to change their course either – given its rich history.   If hypothetically the Boston course was made to be the WR course, I’d expect to see ROCKET downhill course created to really shoot the record books off the chart.  Run down the Pikes Peak Highway for example.  And, oh – this silliness that Geb’s pacers make his record less appropriate does not make a lot of sense to me.  Pacers have LONG been a part of this sport for records.  Ever hear of Dr. Bannister?  Pacer led effort.

JZ earned his Webelo I badge last night.  Stoked for him.
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Friday, March 4, 2011

It has been said before ...

In my run today with Lucho, of course Pikes came up as a topic. And of course, if you talk about Pikes, you end up talking about Matt Carpenter.

You know, when you look at what Matt has done on the mountain, it is mind boggling. The number of wins, the records ...

... but beyond that legacy, that I wonder if I will ever see surpassed, Matt has been a pioneer in a lot of other regards. Starting the Incline Club. And if you look carefully at his website in 1997, you will see he was blogging even before that was a verb. Looking for a news article of how a race went down a dozen years ago on the Peak? Matt's got it up there. Oh, thinking that the entire prize money elite competition conversation that is a suddenly hot topic this year is new in MUT? Go and read the history ... this guy was yelling about it a decade plus ago.

Oh yeah, the ... competition ... between him and Elliott (two guys I like and respect a ton) a decade ago ... read that up.

Elliott trained for the Ascent for four months, spending the last two weeks living at spartan Barr Camp to train and acclimatize.

For seven of the 10 days Elliott was there, Carpenter was too. It was impossible not to run into each other on the course or at mealtimes.

"I saw him up at the top a number of times," Elliott said. "We chatted, mostly shared our thoughts about the race. That's about it."

But Carpenter was taking inventory.

"I'd see him walk in the door at dinnertime and think, 'He's got a little black under the eyes, he's moving his sandwich a little slower to his mouth,'" Carpenter said. "It's all a game. The mental part of sports is what's fun."

The race wasn't much different. Carpenter stayed on Elliott's shoulder for nearly three of the first four miles, like a shadow with bad intentions. Neither said a word.

Wednesday, August 18, 2010

Wednesday 081810

Found this article on Running Times, with tips from Lisa G, Scott E., including Scott’s breathing approach (which I have found interesting).

Is the Leadville entry list right?  Still no sign of Hal or Tony on that list.

Reminder reading for the day.

Weather seems to be shaping up nicely for the weekend.  SummitManitouLeadville.

Plan for the Ascent day … I will head down to Manitou Friday night.  I am expecting to get down there pretty late though, so I won’t really be around to hook up with anybody.  Saturday morning I will mill around the start and then am hitching a ride to the summit post the start of wave 1.  I am going to try to get a signal on the EVDO card so I can post results of the ascent as they come in, and maybe some pix.  I intend to hang out a bit so I can yell at anybody who is walking.  And then I will take one of the vans down.  If you want to hook up at all over the weekend, drop me a note at georgezack at that gmail thingie.

PM – 5 miles, including a “moderate” effort over Sanitas.  Hot agaiin (97).

Adam Goucher

Wednesday night thoughts …

…how come Pikes means everything and nothing at the same time? 
… how come none of the bloggers I read from the east seem to post about the nothingness of the race, but instead put it in what seems (to me) to be in terms of black and white:  I succeeded or I screwed up?
… someone asked me if my son was going to be a runner.  Hell if I know.  Maybe.  If he wants to be.  If there is an interest there, I will certainly encourage it but I am not going to force it.  Still, I confess, my brain considers it.  In some regards, I seem to know that he can do everything I have ever done as a runner and a helluva lot more (read, much faster).  Then again, if he does pursue that, I figure I better do my best now to make that outdoing his father path as tough for him as I can.

Thursday, March 11, 2010

Thursday 031110

Justin predicts the apocalypse.    Really the only other weekend with so many key races other than August 20, is Father’s Day weekend …

This dude is very intense.  You have to expect failure.

AM – easy seven miles on Lake Link, ditch loop.  Snowed last night, but you would never know it this AM.  Cool, but no new snow on the ground. 

Little thing for the day:  2.) 03112010 – More basic … core work no less than 3 days a week for 20 minutes a shot.

Crazy treadmill race to the top of Everest this weekend, including Mr. TonyThe minimum grade required during the race is 18%. OW!  Also in this team event is Pikes top ten Ascent guy Alex Nichols.   (and he is predicting a 2:15 ascent this year).

On the prediction front, Mr. Parr is predicting a 3:30 for the RT.  Wow.  Not only is that zippy fast, he has thrown out in my some circles that he intends to double.  3:30 is sick.  That KOM guy runs away with this thing generally unpressed with 3:35s, on 2:11-2:12 ascent times.  A 3:30 on a double is sick.  Then again his season last year was also pretty sick.  I am expecting Matt to do the Ascent, as it is the WMRA challenge, but I really don’t have any insight on that.  I wonder if he would feel compelled to come back on Sunday after a showdown in the Ascent with Tim.

I got asked in the comment thread yesterday, given my choice to do Pikes, what I intend to do differently.   In short, I don’t intend to do a lot differently via training.  I expect that most of what I need to do differently is really about my approach come race day at Pikes.  When I have gone with lower expectations (06, 08), I have started more conservatively, and I have done well.  When I think I am ready to rock – I go out too damn hard and blow up.  That alone is a just a mindset shift I need to make in the race day execution.  However, in training, I will look to have a longer build up of more miles (generally), and with longer runs (timewise) … getting to 4 plus hours.  I have not done a lot of these, but I feel I have the structure in place now where I can handle these (physically, mentally) if I approach them appropriately.  This means, I’d probably scrap the building run to Mosquito Pass and back (2.5 hours) where I am killing myself towards the end for the more easily paced longer run.  Clearly, this seems to be an element of folks with success there.

PM – 7 miles easy.  Sigh.  Tightness came back.  Bearable but not what I wanted to feel. 

Thursday, March 4, 2010

Thursday 030410

Pocast interview with Mr. Tony.  Kicks around his Pb DNF against “going for it.”  Hits on his Green Mountain project, mentions SE … Good stuff.

24 hour run national team announced.

Podcast interview with Ryan Hall

Enjoyed this post on an approach to Leadville

AM  - calf still tight.  Easy 3 miles.

I will admit … I was a bit pissed post this run.  The calf is not getting better really.  It has been stuck in its rehab.  And I know why..  It is not getting better because I know I am dicking with it.  In many cases, my easiest path through an injury has been to work (meaning, run) through it.  So I am a bit pissed that this was not working.  And I have seen that before.  So I am pissed with that too.  I am a bit pissed because I had put a silly target in my head of getting a hundred miles in this week.  I had been kicking around that I’d just do easy miles for the next couple of weeks, and then have lax week over spring break.  This was obviously, not going to work either.  I am a bit pissed because the rest of me felt good, except I had this damn flat tire.  I was pissed because I wanted to run with folks as the weather warmed.  Hearing that all the cool kids (Lucho, Tony, Jeff)  were doing miles, running mountains, and reading about upcoming summer races  … hell I was a bit pissed and jealous. 

Time for me to put my stupidity ego on the shelf – again, and let this rehab.  And let the fitness come to me rather than force the issue.  Turn into the skid.  Let the ball come to me and not chase it.  Nu-nu-nu-nu-nu-nu … but yeah, it pisses me off.  Mostly because I knew all this.  Which is another way of saying – I am stupid.

Got on the bike at work this afternoon.  Time to move on.   It makes my butt hurt, but the best advice I heard on that was, “push the pedals harder.”  90 minutes with various games to pass the time (min on, min off, min of single leg drills, etc).  A woman from my work was on the mill next me with the incline cranked way up.  She is prepping for a trek up some hill in Bolivia to 20000 plus feet.  Damn.

A smaller hill …

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Later in the day I heard of a person who had a pain in their calf and it was a blood clot.  Awesome.  Love hearing that sort of stuff.

Friday, January 22, 2010

Friday 012210

Mr. Tony goes Scott E style

On the mill today and the mind was a’wandering (as it often does).  Lucho’s post regarding criticism – feedback was in there.  When asked about training, I use to spout off that the first thing was base mileage (usually, I’d say “run more.”)  Increasingly I have become the first principle of any training is belief in it / and to have fun with it.  Otherwise it won’t work.  Or at least not for long.  I started thinking how a training philosophy becomes a religion of sorts, and exercising on that in terms of executing the training is the religious practice.  And like some folks in some religions, when you question a person’s beliefs they get defensive, or even offensive (the bare foot craze seems to be a lightening rod like this in the running space as of late).  And others are open to discussing it, sharing their belief, even promoting it but also listening to yours.  I once heard a guy say that really all religions really teach the same thing:  the more love you give, the more love you get.  Seemed to hit the mark for me.  Really, regardless of how you go about training, its about improving yourself.

Also thought about runners who have disappeared from the sport.  But that is another post.

The big local news in running is that CU alum Jenny B signed with NB



11 miles, easy.  AHR =140

Wednesday, July 1, 2009

Wednesday 070109

  • AM – up early. Felt creaky – sort of how I typically do in the mornings, but atypically have not been feeling the last couple of weeks. So I was really slow to start, and had a bit of issue getting to a pace where HR was above 140. It was weird – I was working to get the legs moving and the HR was floating in the low 130s. Kept thinking I’d curtail this run because of how I felt (cruddy legs) but it just kept unfolding another mile, another mile. After 10 at an AvHR = 140 (max 148), I picked up the pace for the next four (AvHR=167, max = 175). Jogged a mile warm down. 15 on the day. RHR at wake = 44. Listening today – several podcasts, including Adam Corrolla podcast, BS report.image
  • Scott Elliott apparently has been up Bear 175 times this year and is nearing 500k vertical feet on the year.
  • Dave Mackey posts a bit post his WS100 run … “given time to train next spring 2010, I will be back to run Western States”

Tuesday, June 16, 2009

Tuesday 061609

  • More Mount Washington video by JJ from the 90s. Spotted Elliott in the 99 video (the year he came back from not running for several years to take second at Pikes in 2:23 behind Wright) … ), and the hair on Carpenter in the 98 video is impressive (he’d run 3:44 in the marathon that year).
  • Mount Washington weather.  Looks like rain on race day.
  • Bobby McGee at BRC next week
  • Good preview of Lake City by Justin
  • Very nice post that captures why we do this by Anton.  …all I really have to do is take one more calculated, perfectly-placed, as-efficient-as-possible footstep. Certainly I can take one more step? Of course, and, little by little, the ground is covered, the delta elevation is scaled, the absolute presence is experienced. Nothing else even exists but the here and now of inching my way up this goddamn mountain.
  • Brandon has been taking some video up on the peaks west of town.
  • 10 miles, 73 minutes.  Not exactly what I had planned but not bad.  I wanted to get in a longer run that progressed over the end.  I slept like crud last night though and did not get up in time to get this one in the books before work.  I ended up going mid day (warm) and pressed a bit for time.  After four miles easy (capped 150 again, 7:45-8 pace), I picked up a four mile tempo, including up and down the Simms Hill (6.5% for about a half mile in there).  HR averaged 171 over this stretch, hitting 180 at one point in the heart of Simms Hill.  This never felt that bad though.  I have found that I am hitting higher HRs on runs but without a higher level of perceived effort (?).   Came back down the hill and got a bit of turn over but was able to keep the HR up a bit.  Desperately  needed a bio break (use your imagination) at four miles in, so I cut it there and just added two miles cool down.  Again, not what I planned but not bad – a little spike to keep the movement going, but not too much.
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  • In the evening I went to a Rockies game.  Yes – my third game in five days!  JZ and his baseball team were walking the field perimeter as part of pre game ceremonies.  I also was able to connect with a guy I knew from HS and that I had not seen in at least 20 years plus – as he is passing through Denver / Colorado as part of a bigger vacation.
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Tuesday, June 9, 2009

Tuesday 060909

  • DD and DJ posted a predicted top 50 for Mount Washington. I personally love the one sec diff they predicted b/w themselves. ;) The field looks much stronger than I would have guessed it. I have been thinking a sub 80 for me would be a good showing at this time.
  • I forget if I posted this before … I have heard folks say things like, “if you had the head of such and such (insert sucessful runner here) on your body, they would run such and such faster at such and such distance.”  This is implying that those folks are mentally tougher, or have mentally broken barriers that the accused has not.  While I appreciate that mental toughness is very significant in this sport, I think you could also make the opposite statement just as well:  put Haile’s head on my body and he quits 5 minutes into a 5k because he can’t figure out how he could be working so hard to move so slow.  Anyway, a post on the head
  • Got out to Flagstaff again.  Warmed up via Baseline from Broadway (14:23, super easy) and then got to work. 
    • Mile marker (missed this last week in the fog), 3:56 image(.46 miles up)
    • 2 mile marker:  12:26 (split 8:30) (last week 12:17)
    • 3 mile marker 21:02 (split 8:36) (last week 20:37, split 8:20)
    • 4 mile marker 29:54 (split 8:52) (last week 29:15, split 8:38)
    • 5 mile marker 40:45 (split 10:51) (last week 39:49, split 10:34)
    • top sign:  41:24 (split 0:39), (last week 40:29, split 50)
  • I was not surprised that the time this week was slower.  I felt pretty amped last week, stoked to get after it – as my legs had bounced back post three easy days.   This week, I just did not feel bad, but I did not feel great either.  As long as I have the excuse shovel out, I was also carrying a full Camelbak this time too (5lbs of stuff) … and there were tornadoes.  AvHR was 172, (higher than last time) and max was 177 (also higher).  In addition to not feeling “A” I wonder if this is because of the “evening” component of this?  And if being at a lower elevation for a few day has any effect.  I have read that it does not (for as little time as I spent) but I have heard a lot of others subjectively say otherwise. (and as JP mentioned, no Lucho this time). In any case – no sweat (or, well there was).  It was a good workout.  Generally, I think I am a little ahead of where I was on this workout last year.  Of course, JV did it in 38 (actually 37:59)  the next day.  :)
  • After a bio break at the top, I took the west ridge up to the top ofimage Green (side note … the grade on this back side of Green is not nearly as ridiculous as the front/east side approaches … it only averages 5% from the road, but with the last section above the 4 way junction at 20% – but that is only for a little less than a quarter mile.  This last section, I have titled the “Elliott Stairs” as Scott does them as a Pikes Prep workout – to prepare for the last section at Pikes called the “Golden Stairs”) and came back down Green Bear, into Bear Canyon.  Bear Canyon was really slow going as the creek was high and moving – making for several slow crossings (I was in flats).  Picked things up a bit when I got back onto the Mesa.  And then edged it up more as I got to the Enchanted Mesa (6:30 pace) – just to continue familiarize the legs with hard downhill running.   HR was generally in the 150 to 160 range throughout the descent but would drop on the slower sections.  In retrospect, I probably would have gotten a better workout descending the road, and then climbing back up it again (either the full distance or part way).  But my head appreciated being out in the canyon as the sunset, and a light rain came in.   All told this came out to be 14.5 miles of running over 2:22, with just over 3000 feet of vertical.   The Garmin elevation correction had the gain as 3036.  The Alterra had it as 3116.
  • Most likely I will NOT run the SoBo TT on Thursday night.  JZ has a game and that is where I will gladly be!

Thursday, May 28, 2009

Thursday 052809

  • PM – met up with the crew at Chautuaqua.  I did an easy two miles before the run up Green.  My legs still feel like crap.  I have a ridiculously long post in my head on what this is all about but it ain’t  typed yet (so that will wait for another time)  We jogged over to the Amphitheatre trailhead at Gregory very casually.  When we got there, there was some questioning and what seemed to be lengthy discussion of the route, and  how we ought to start.  I pulled the dickhead move, getting bored with the conversation and just went – figuring watch times would sort out anything that pure performance did not.  I was worked going up – much more than I would have expected.  I summitted in  5th (behind Rickey G, Dave M, Jeff V, Justin S, and Stefan – so yes, all those guys passed me after my flyer) in a relatively slow time of 37:44.  Rickey apparently set a new FKT for the route in 28 something.  Dave was 31 and change and Jeff PR’d in 32 something.  We all sat on the summit rock as everyone finished, enjoying the early glow of sunset before starting down Ranger for the descent.  Some pix.
  • P5280158 JV, Rickey , Stefan and Tim
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  •  P5280160 About the last I saw of Rickey and Dave (in red), as we start out of Chautauqua.  Anthony in white.
  •  P5280161 Okay, seriously the last I saw.  JV slightly ahead of Rickey and Dave.  And yes, it is that steep.
  • P5280163Footfeathers near the top.
  •  P5280164 P5280165 “I found this shoe on the run.”  “Yeah, I ran without it to toughen up for WS100.”  P5280166 Which shorts would you  wear?
  •  P5280170P5280169  A true men of Green Mountain Calendar shot.  Rickey G, Dave M, Stefan G, Jeff V, Justin S, Christian G, Anthony, Tim L,
  • P5280174 P5280176 The descent down Ranger, Gregory
  • P5280177  The green Chautauaqua meadow …
  • My splits for future reference
    • to the open saddle rock (the second one so to speak):  15:46 (.82 miles)  (SE reports his best as 12:02)
    • to the split of the trails (Greenman coming into Saddle Rock) 5:00 (.28 miles), (history here is screwed up as the trail has been re-routed) (20:47)
    • to the log that Scott E points out as the last climb – 11:26 (.72 miles),  (again trail reroutes make history here difficult (32:14)
    • last climb to summit (not including the summit rock) 5:19 (.29 miles … SE’s best on this is 3:40, with FKT on this section being from Nuttleman (in the midst of a run)  at 3:32 … it gives you an idea of how hard this section is – it is just over a quarter mile and the best runners run it slower than 12 minute pace!)  (37:33)
    • 11 seconds to get up the summit rock.  Had I elected to not do the summit rock, I would have incurred a 15 second penalty. (37:44)
    • All told, this run is about 2 MILES.  That means even Rickey Gates was running this at 14 minutes a mile and Dave Mackey was running it at 15 minutes a mile!
  • It is such a wonderful gift to be out there with these folks, enjoying the mountain.  It is such an amazing way to be alive.  As Stefan said right before the descent …”that hurt in a good way.”  I want to get out for these other events, but I doubt I am going to be able to … other plans.
  • 90 minutes on the day, 8 miles.  The TT portion of the run.
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  • Post script – Mackey had splits of

    Rocky clearing (where Scott E splits) 13:05

    Greenman/ Amphitheater Junction 17:..

    Start of wooden steps: 26:10

    Summit 31:28, and Rickey G at 28:48.  Jeff V had 5:29 at 1st jct., 13:44 at the first overlook, 18 at the Greenman jct., 32:35 at the top

    • Gates – 28:48 (passed by me within 50 yards up the trail)

    • Mackey – 31:28 (passed by me 100 yards up the trail)

    • Vallerie  - 32:35 – his post. (passed by me 20 yards up the trail)

    • Snow - (passed by me just where that Saddle rock trail comes into Amp)

    • Gabriel - (was actually ahead of Justin here but they later switched positions)

    • Zack – 37:44

    • Long – 38:07 his post

  • Slept in today.  Ah, that was nice post the early rise from yesterday.
  • Started playing with the Garmin Connect software (which Garmin only recently made available for the Forerunner 305).  I have been using the Sporttracks software from ZoneFive (which excellent, easy and free).  My biggest issue in using the Motion Based stuff from Garmin was that it did not adequately correct elevation gain in its data reads (smooth the data out).  This meant I could turn the GPS on, stand still for an hour and gain hundreds of feet as the signal-calculation read different values over that period of time.  Sporttracks attenuates that noise and smooths the data nicely.  Will play with GC for a couple of days and see how it looks.
  • Apparently, there are a couple of other folks jacked about the A wave 8 second adjustment gift.

Wednesday, May 20, 2009

Wednesday 052009

  • This ain’’t right …Steve Larsen, 39, well established athlete and dead of a heart attack.
  • Awesome video posted by JJ of some historic Mount Washington races.  Locals will enjoy the footage of Scott Elliott and Jay Johnson.
  • The Kara Goucher lead in to this video is rather funny  (first 2 minutes).
  • PM – 10 miles with 16 x 200 strides with plenty of rest.  200s were 35-37 on 200 rest.  76 minutes.  Felt kind of blah physically but pretty charged mentally.

Thursday, April 30, 2009

Thursday 043009

Someone looks like they are getting fit

.  Still fighting this cold.  My sweat tastes funny and I feel slimy. Met JV for a jaunt up SoBo.  Kicked my ass.  RT was 1:44 with the up in just under 60.  Feeling pretty beat right now …

 

 

 

 

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Friday, April 10, 2009

Scooter

  • ... Scott Elliott (picture courtesy of Footfeathers - with a great post today ... love the title) completed his run of 100 runs up Bear Peak in 100 days today.  I would have liked to join him but work, a sick family and my gimp foot kept me at bay.   Scott's results at Pikes are incredible:  17 Ascents, 16 top tens, 8 wins and four second places.  Probably as incredible as these results are the legends of getting a laser focus post a period of a long layoff.  Now when I say long layoff, I don't mean taking a few weeks off and eating ice cream, drinking brews, and relaxing.  According to the 50th Anniversary book, America's Ultimate Challenge, The Pikes Peak Marathon Scott stopped running altogether post the 1994 Ascent ... and did not run a step for 3 years.  After seeing the 1998 race, he vowed to return in 99, as he thought the race had been won in too slow a time - and started training the next day after the race.  He took 2nd in 99.  Apparently in those 3 years off, Scott had gained some 40-50 pounds.   WHAT?  Think about that for a second.  You see some guy in late August carrying a few terms of the freshmen 15, and he is talking about coming back to the win the Pikes Peak Ascent a year later.  You are a fit fellow and laugh ... this guy probably could not hold pace with you for a 3 mile run, never mind an Ascent up 7800 feet of trail, over 13+ miles to an altitude over 14000 feet.  Yet he kicked everyone's butt (except the lost in war action athlete Jeremy Wright)  in 99.  Oh, by the way ... in 2000, Scott did win (trading the 2 spot with Jeremy).  Whether Scott's current streak up Bear is a pre-cursor to a return to Pikes (he has not been in the race since '06) is still in question.  He has done the 100 Bear in 100 day streak before without returning to the race.  In any case, it is clear that Scott challenges our assumptions about what it is like to be disciplined when we choose to be.  Congratulations Scooter.  Hope we can share a few runs and ascents soon.

Thursday, August 2, 2007

Thursday August 2, 2007

Jogged up Flag with JV. Went to Green four way junction and did 4 of the Green Stair repeats. 2:59, 3:40R 2:54, 3:42R, 2;56, 4:07R 2:55. I was not feeling the greatest, and was playing it fairly reserved – holding back a bit for Sunday … I can do seven of these sub three when primed and wanting to dig … the fourth was a bit of a challenge … I started to power hike but then got it back … JV went 2:24 on the first, but then I got him on all the rest. We came down the typical from Green to the Ranger but then back down Flag. Got 96 minutes on this so I am calling it 8 miles.