Wednesday, August 19, 2009

Feedback

I have received a bunch of good feedback here  regarding my Pikes meltdown.  Most of this has been that I need to get over it, move on, keep my chin up.  And that is absolutely correct.  THANKS to all of you who given me kind words and kicks in the arse to get over this and keep on living it.  Amen to that.   Mentally I have gone through a few states of disappointment, anger, confusion but now I am already feeling a small itch.  What’s next?  But before I get to what is next … I am still looking at what went wrong.

 



I received, as I have throughout the summer, some great feedback from Lucho.  I really can’t thank Lucho enough for the help he has given me.  We have easily exchanged probably 200 emails over the last six weeks – with him being incredibly responsive to my questions and concerns.  He’s caring, he’s honest and he’s committed to improvement and success.  His most recent feedback as to what went wrong essentially said I was over my head early:  I have alluded also to the idea that 180 is over your LT? Since a 2:30 marathon can't be run near LT it makes sense. I had thought that your LT might be over 180 too, but it isn't. This goes back to my old preaching about getting fast at a low HR or an easier effort. Because you can't race within a certain percentage of your LT, you must get fast at this lower percentage. If your LT is 178 then you have to be able to run fast at HR 170.  If that makes no sense to you – I will translate:  I went out too fast for my current fitness.  Yeah, 81 minutes maps up well to what I did going up to Barr Camp in the BTMR, but then I started running down (and actually after 70 minutes there).  I still had to run up at least that same time at Pikes.  I ran fine for a run up to Barr Camp.  Just not for a run that had me keep going for another six miles and 4000 feet up and then 13 miles and 7800 feet down.



So while I am sitting in a meeting this AM, I get a mail from the PPM winner himself – Matt Carpenter.   Unsolicited, Matt looked at my post, my data and gave me the following feedback (slightly edited).IMG_1286

Wait – before I post that, did I say I got the email in a meeting while at work?  Yeah – think about that.  Here is a guy fresh off his kabizillionth victory at Pikes and he is taking time and energy to do analysis and write an email about my race?  So I was suddenly a bit ADD in this meeting because I glanced at the mail, but knew I had to focus on work!  Call it a man crush, but I continue to be impressed as to what this guy does for the sport at a variety of levels.  Thanks Matt!  Matt’s note – some highlights (bold) by me for emphasis…

Great write up on your race!  Sometimes you just need to step back and look for the obvious. Sorry dude but your HR graph gives it away. You went out too fast. Sure you can post that your AHR was ~175s through the Ws but that is an average from when it was still working its way up. UP to the freaking 180s!!! Hell, that would kill me!!! How many times must it be said that uphill running is like swimming. You can double your effort but you don't go twice as fast. The gains are not worth it. The couple of minutes you got ahead in the Ws cost you 10+ up top. But let's move away from HR to actual times to see if that analysis jives. Just for grins I took each of you cumulative times and splits and put them into the pace calculator. On the left is your overall pace on the right was your split pace. Rather telling I should think:

 



R    2:09


H     2:29      2:38

WS  2:36     2:40

NN  2:39     2:43

78   2:39     2:42

BC  2:41      2:46

BP  2:44      3:04

AF  2:52      3:27

2    2:53      3:04

1    2:56      3:15

t     2:57:31 3:18

I don't know what your Ascent goal was. (GZ note – I thought 2:45 was do-able) You wrote on 8/7 "I feel that I can ascend faster than 2:50" but through the Ws you were WAY WAY under that and still WAY under that through BC. (Yes, I ignore the Ruxton split and can't for the life of me figure out why my Ruxton split works but everyone else is LIGHT years ahead of pace there) but beyond Ruxton you were going too fast especially  when you factor in "the day" which I don't think was that good – as shown by those 180s you were running. I call it the PP factor.  Too many ignore that Pikes can have its own set of rules that change day by day and do not care about our goals.  If we stick to our goals it is going to eat us up and spit us out like it has done to solid granite for eons. Yet instead of adjusting for "the day" you stubbornly hung onto that effort (the 180s) until your body could not do it anymore and then look at the HR graph again! Like a cliff and not too much later you were talking about a bad patch. Sorry again, but bad patches don't happen - they are made by us because we did not do something correctly. I went back to your BTMR HR graph where you had a great race and what a freaking difference! Who the heck you think you are that you do a shorter race like the BTMR never much over 175 and kept things pretty level but then in a race that is 2X as long go that long at 180? Bad patch indeed! But the bad patch did not come when you were feeling bad at Barr Camp, it came when you were feeling good in the Ws. Since you like fancy plots and graphs why don't you overlay your BTMR HR graph on top of you PPM HR graph and look at the first 30 mins of your PPM. Game over!

At any rate, chin up, get over it and get on with it. Resolve to run smarter next time. We all do stupid stuff.

But as I think I said before sometimes it is best to keep it simple once and a while. The tweaks I made between Leadville 04/05 and North Face 07/08 were  minor, minor, minor! But the difference is huge. Based on your BTMR you don't even have to tweak your training. You just have to stick to your game plan …

Go out hard, when it hurts speed up...

Matt Carpenter

As Stan Lee used to say … ‘nuff said.

11 comments:

  1. Love it. How much did you have to pay him? :)

    I am banking on you and Lucho with this HR bullshit. It seems to be working though. Just need to figure out the race game plan one of these days.

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  2. GZ, How awesome is it to have Matt Carpenter dissect your race. Wow!!!
    Yes I am doing Pikes Peak 2010!!!
    Looking forward to meeting you in person.

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  3. Very nice, glad you could find a good perspective.

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  4. Remember the story I told about the guy (I think it was Ed Baxter) that my brother met on the top of some random mountain when he came out early before the race to acclimate in 2007? He said he kills it through the Ws to get ahead of the riff raff and then recovers...and it 'worked for him' because he generally won his age group.

    Well this year he adjusted his pacing to match better to Matt's pacing chart and he just blew away the age group record with a 2:41.

    Remember your pre-race ascent that you did in 3:04 was it? Thats what I was asking about with what your LT was. It was confusing to me to look at your average heart rate for 3 hours that was up in the 170s. I noticed the same thing on race day.

    I am not an expert at that stuff, but it seemed like doing a long race like PPM where you start off at or over LT for so long (at least where I thought a person's LT would be) seemed hard for me to grasp.

    Anyways, that and a bum hamstring won't help either!

    Cool help/feedback.

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  5. GZ, I am bummed that you did not meet your goals, I do feel for you, BUT.... it does make for some interesting discussion. I really appreciate your candid honesty in dissecting what went wrong and I think we can all benefit from these harsh lessons to a certain degree (whether we learn it first or second hand). Damn, Matt C jumping in the scrum, how cool! Kind of like discussing the bible and having God chime in (if ya believe in that sort of thing).

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  6. As I said to you on the mountain that Wednesday during your training run, Thank you so much for sharing your training and thought process. You certainly help a multitude of runners. And what a bonus to share the comments from Matt!

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  7. Credibility. You got it.

    He (MC) said it. All. You (and your inner voice --MC), Lucho, and Chuckie V are all on the same page (it always comes back to CV and Lucho -- are they still friends?).

    Nothing just happens. My favorite is Freud's "there's no such thing as an isolated incident."

    Capitalize, homey.

    So, how's the beer?

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  8. GZ - Just want to reiterate what others have already said: thanks for laying it all out there in the public domain, so we can all take the lessons learned and improve from it.

    I haven't been running mountains for that long, but one thing I learned very quickly (without an HR monitor) is that you have to find an effort that is sustainable for the distance ahead and stick with it, otherwise pain (and slowness) will quickly ensue. I know you're attached to the HR monitor, and it is a useful tool, but I would suggest trying to feel your effort a little more (ditch the monitor for a few runs) so the process of finding your effort during races is a little more organic. Just a thought.

    So you failed to mention what was next, or is that a post for another day?

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  9. Brandon - new baby ... chill for a bit. No rush for a race.

    Brad - yeah, pretty crazy, ain't it? It would be like Lance ripping your bike ride down, or Mark Allen doing a decomposition of your triathlon.

    AA - hope I can get out to one of those Vista runs with you soon.

    Brett - Baxter killed it this year. He did so well on the Ascent day I was convinced I was going to be looking at his arse on the PPM.

    I am not completely sure what my LT is. But regardless of what it is, it is clear that I am not holding high 170s for 3 hours up.

    JV - get that foot healed up and let's go hit some trails.

    McDuff - thanks. It was great meeting you this summer. Get that knee right so you can get back out here for the Ascent next year.

    Matt - brew is good ... I have made better. This batch is good but not excellent. Or it might just be that I am a bit bored with it after 2 bottles a night (bombers) since Sunday.

    Nick - funny that you think I am strapped to the strap. I really never wore it for any significant portion of training before this summer. I have to sort of chuckle when folks think I am a data junkie because I am pretty tame in comparison to some.

    Not sure what is next yet. More to come on that later.

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  10. MC just tells me I'm slow. At least he gave you a reason why!

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  11. Too cool George - that's kind of like Lance Armstrong sending an email to tell you your seatpost is 2.7 mm too high and you need to angle the saddle 3.7 degrees down. Nothing like getting the goods straight from the Master!
    S

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